Update

I feel as though I am amiss if I don't give at least a brief report of what is going on here. It seems that I have gone through another long period of silence on the blog, which is not particularly good if you are "building" an audience. Or whatever it is that motivates us to engage in action of any kind. I have started teaching my two daily classes. It has changed my mood completely to be directly engaging with students and again trying to share my love of Sanskrit with them. The last couple of weeks I have been working on the manual again, mostly formatting, so that the students have a hard copy to scribble on. I am going to pick up the hard copy later this morning. Jiva Tirtha Sanskrit 7.5. After ten classes one student asked, Am I supposed to be memorizing this? Yes, my friends, I am afraid soPretty ambitious, I know. Foolish also. Anyway, I told my students that Panini was the first linguist and his analysis went quite far and influenced Indian thinkI have packed my more than 50 years of interaction with the Sanskrit language into a one year course. ing throughout millennia, and still does. That there are individuals like Babaji's students who are attracted to the traiditional Indian intellectual approach. In my other class we are doing Bhagavad Gītā and are going through several commentaries of the Gītā in Sanskrit. It is rather refreshing to revisit the karma-yoga section of the Gītā. I wrote some things about this chapter on this blog a few years ago. The Indian version of the work ethic. This worldly asceticism. A few days ago Namarasaji posted this video of a conversation I had with him a few weeks earlier. I wrote the following:

Radhe Radhe ! I was flattered when Namarasa invited me on his program. I think he is courageous to have done so, and I think that he is serving his function as an American devotee by showing some faith in free speech and the open exchange of ideas. The treasures of the Sanatan Dharma lie in the free expression of spiritual ideas and experimentation. Our path is enriched by the relentless search for those in whom Truth and Love reside. kṛṣṇa-bhakti-rasa-bhāvita-matiḥ kriyatāṁ yadi kuto'pi labhyate tatra laulyam api mūlyam ekalaṁ janma-koṭi-sukṛtair na labhyate ||14|| The Chaitanya tree has many branches. Let them all flourish. Jai Sri Radhe! I got a fair number of positive reactions. But less than 2K views...

Comments

Anonymous said…
JD,

May one know if a digital copy of your ‘Jiva Tirtha Sanskrit 7.5’ is available online, or can the hard copy be purchased from you?

Am looking forward to (part II of) your next YouTube discussion with Namarasa on the ‘The Late Morning Program Podcast.’

MN
Anonymous said…
Loved this interview and hope for a part Two. I am very interested - for many years actually - in how the audience of this Podcast and yourself are going to harmonize your stance on the diksha-siksha-parampara issue with the one propagated in the Gaudiya Math. What, according to you, is the way forward? Even if - and that's a big if - they're willing to trace back their lineage via Bipin Bihari as the initiating guru of Bhaktivinod to Nityananda, and are willing to engage with the complexities and implications that has for how they've been presenting the parampara for decades and to be open about it to the masses and to thus reorganize their altars, that still doesn't solve one other related major issue:

For many, the siddha-pranali system - although certainly valid historically - is still too esoteric for many to be put into practice on a daily basis. It is very very niche, and almost impenetrable even to those that aspire to know God more intimately. That fact, in a way, gives some legitimacy to Bhaktisiddhanta's idea for reform and his resulting break-away from traditional esoteric practice to something more universally applicable, and thus 'inventing' a new kind of parampara.

Basically, my question is .. how to harmonize the two positions?
Jagadananda Das said…
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Jagadananda Das said…
My basic answer is let a thousand flowers bloom. There will always be renegades from every institution, and they will represent the loyal opposition and spur the creative thinking. Bhaktisiddhanta was a renegade and he created renegades. Prabhupada was a renegade, so he created a society with the external, social dimension, which was and is constantly tussling with the material energies and its own established systems of law and culture, etc., and thus creating a constant fallout of renegades of many sorts. You can't have an institution without having renegades; the tighter the institution, the more likely that renegades a lurking in the shadows. You can't behead them all.

New sampradayas come into existence all the time. They may or may not find acceptance in the world from which they arise, but as they rise and fall they play a wider role accordingly.

There is a lot more to esoteric Vaishnava sadhana than manjari bhava. Nevertheless, the preoccupation with the ujjvala-rasa is definitely phenomenologically important because of its unbreakable centrality, which will always be central, whether you cover it over with a blanket of daiva varnashram or not. Whether you practice raganuga bhakti or not, if you proclaim to follow the footsteps of Rupa and Raghunatha, you have committed yourself to an analysis and study of madhura-rasa. Now where will this lead? Will it lead to sahajiya sex orgies in suburbia?

It would be easier for me to talk viva voce about this since I am rather bogged down with other tasks at present. Certainly there is required nuance and much diplomatic language.
Anonymous said…
Dear Jagadananda Prabhu,
Thanks for your reflection on my question. It’s helpful :)
Warm regards,
A
Anonymous said…
JD,

Whilst learning present tense verbs (parasmaipada conjunctions) today, came across this marvellous software which allows typing diacritic characters directly in Microsoft Word.

MN

Keyswap – IAST Diacritics Windows Software (for Sanskrit Language Scholars):

https://www.yesvedanta.com/keyswap/
Jagadananda Das said…
conjugations. Just doing exactly the same thing in my Sanskrit class. Maybe you would like to follow? We mostly use purāṇa and kāvya rather than yoga and tantra as the source of examples, but you might find it pleasing to participate. Radhe Shyam.
Anonymous said…
JD,

Yes, conjugations (-:

There is much to learn, and considerably more to commit to long-term memory and ready recall.
Your offer is very kind, perhaps in four weeks time, if you would have me.

My person will soon be privately working on paṭala twenty of the Kaula text of the Matsyendrasaṃhitā, which (in the words of Debabrata Sensharma) “describes in detail the various kinds of yogic powers that the spiritual adepts develop within themselves through deep contemplation and meditation.”

https://archive.org/details/2015.32122.MatsyendraSamhitaPart1/page/n79/mode/2up

MN

Notes

The Matsyendrasaṃhitā: A Yoginī-centered Thirteenth-century Yoga Text of the South Indian Śāmbhava Cult

https://www.academia.edu/17652654/The_Matsyendrasam_hita_A_Yogini_centered_Thirteenth_century_Yoga_Text_of_the_South_Indian_S_a_mbhava_Cult?email_work_card=view-paper

Anonymous said…
Anonymous (03/11/22) said: “For many, the siddha-pranali system - although certainly valid historically - is still too esoteric for many to be put into practice on a daily basis. It is very very niche, and almost impenetrable even to those that aspire to know God more intimately. That fact, in a way, gives some legitimacy to Bhaktisiddhanta's idea for reform and his resulting break-away from traditional esoteric practice to something more universally applicable, and thus 'inventing' a new kind of parampara.

Basically, my question is .. how to harmonize the two positions?”


MN replied: By letting go of both...
Anonymous said…

JD,

Have created a table of suffix endings for Present Tense Verbs (Parasmaipada Conjugations), which makes an easy to read aide-mémoire for those also learning.

MN

Pdf:

https://drive.proton.me/urls/8XY8TX9AF0#ErB1790AOG3k

Microsoft Word:

https://drive.proton.me/urls/J6FQ0V24X0#9uLuhng4SB3D

Quote: “neither the Indian nor the Buddhist system can be understood without a key” - H. P. Blavatsky

Find your own कुञ्चिका (kuñcikā).

See:

https://jagadanandadas.blogspot.com/2019/10/bhakti-sandarbha-237-guru-seva-is-key.html?showComment=1572192500019#c6466541482625744146

Notes

Source of quote: Collected Writings (Volume XIV, Page 445)

See:
https://www.theosophy.world/sites/default/files/ebooks/Collected_Writings_Volume_XIV_(Miscellanea).pdf
Anonymous said…
Ādeśa - Dearest Anonymous (03/11/22),

For literary insight on “how to harmonize the two positions”, may one recommend a very good book for inspiration:

Obscure Religious Cults
By Shashibhusan Das Gupta

ISBN 10: 81-7102-020-8 ISBN 13: 9788171020201

Second-hand edition:

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30808699994&searchurl=sortby%3D20%26tn%3DObscure%2BReligious%2BCults&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title4

Download a free Adobe Pdf:

https://archive.org/download/obscurereligiouscultsshashibhushandasgupta1946_202003_922_Y/Obscure%20Religious%20Cults%20Shashibhushan%20Dasgupta%201946.pdf

P.S. Possess an open mind.
Mind of a Child said…
Possess an open mind (like a child).

My person is reading Aspects of Indian Religious Thought (Chapter V - The Indian Conception of the Divine Body), and thought you may also wish to read the same, start reading on page 137 from:

“This ideal of Bodhisattvahood—a self-imposed life of a missionary in an effulgent body of light and bliss, working for the uplift of all beings—has its analogy in the ideal of the immortal spiritual existence of the Nātha gurus of India in a dematerialized divine body for the guidance and the inspiration of followers:”

https://tinyurl.com/3caearr7

More words, blah, blah, blah! How can one directly experience the transcendental (in this body and life)?

See pages 21 and 22, verses 17-28 of the Gorakṣayogaśāstra (convert the literal into practical to experience the transcendental).

https://tinyurl.com/y6tfev97
Anonymous said…

N.B.*

Verse 17, “the belly full of air” is describing kumbhaka (the most effective form of kumbhaka is ‘kumbhāntara-śṛṅkhalā’ a linked-sequence-of-inhalated-breaths during a breath retention).

Notes

17. Having contracted the root of the anus and having [placed] the chin above the heart. Having blocked the nine openings and the belly full of air…,
Anonymous said…

“Yet some there be that by due steps aspire
To lay their just hands on that golden key
That opes the palace of eternity. “

- John Milton 1608 - 1674

L'Allegro, Il penseroso, Comus, and Lycidas:



https://archive.org/details/johnmiltonslalle00milt_0/page/29/mode/1up

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