tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post3655442587226450237..comments2024-03-26T13:06:41.178-04:00Comments on Jagat: Progressive and Liberal Ideas and Krishna bhaktiJagadananda Dashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-50475213051184552592009-08-20T03:26:13.808-04:002009-08-20T03:26:13.808-04:00Political involvement is not a bad thing.
Some dev...Political involvement is not a bad thing.<br />Some devotees in Holland are involved in the "Partij voor de dieren", which translates as "Party for the animals".<br />They have 2 seats in parlament and have put many things on the agenda in both Holland and Europa.....<br />-The cruelty of pig transport<br />-Castration of pigs<br />-Vegetarianism and reduction of bio-industry as a serious solution to global heating<br />- and the list goes on and on.<br /><br />Not all members are vegetarians, most are though. Parties for animal rights are trying to get into parlament in many more European countries.<br /><br />I am an enthousiastic voter since they are around.Blinknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-90791387551589252882009-08-19T13:13:51.876-04:002009-08-19T13:13:51.876-04:00"Actually, statistically I think most Desis v..."Actually, statistically I think most Desis vote Republican."<br /><br /><br />Indeed. Shah Rukh Khan for US president!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-56438458291202298182009-08-18T22:19:23.879-04:002009-08-18T22:19:23.879-04:00Socrates said:
"But GV's florist's sh...Socrates said:<br />"But GV's florist's shop looks more like a desert."<br /><br />Not the one I go to!Satya devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00692460035072254794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-26701149199416244112009-08-18T10:19:47.774-04:002009-08-18T10:19:47.774-04:00Actually, statistically I think most Desis vote Re...Actually, statistically I think most Desis vote Republican. Indian Americans are amongst the most financially successful groups in this country and the rich tend to vote Republican. <br /><br />Radharani Sarkar Zindabad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-71526407277131488272009-08-16T13:48:08.168-04:002009-08-16T13:48:08.168-04:00http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/1...<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/16/atheism-creationism-faith-doctrine" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/16/atheism-creationism-faith-doctrine</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-49835253323679378562009-08-15T06:37:25.972-04:002009-08-15T06:37:25.972-04:00Both progressive and liberal must be confirmed wit...Both progressive and liberal must be confirmed with clear acts, with clear new insights and views.<br /><br />Many simply recycle old stuff, but there's no new spark, no new insight. There's lots of cognitive dissonance hidden under the fluffy words, lack of personal revelation, lack of inspiration, as Jagat cleverly recognizes.<br /><br />For example, a progressive mind would try to reconcile what is faith and what is belief in KC, how to inspire new faith, how to live now, in this time and circumstances and offer something refreshing, inspiring and yet connected with that beautiful idea of devotion.<br /><br />A myth must continue now, using new language, new lights, new stage, new actors, and the idea is, ah, the same -- a story of love chase that goes on forever.<br /><br />When you enter a florist's shop, there's a new flower posing in a vase every day, sparkling ever new imagination in the eyes of lovers. <br /><br />But GV's florist's shop looks more like a desert.Socratesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-19129339786297396912009-08-15T06:31:50.622-04:002009-08-15T06:31:50.622-04:00My point was really that we Westerners were brough...My point was really that we Westerners were brought up in a society that had adopted many progressive and liberal ideas already. We went a little overboard as hippies and then became convinced of the benefits of self-discipline and austerity. <br /><br />But personal discipline and austerity are individual or voluntary actions and cannot be imposed. To some extent they can be imposed on children in the name of education, and to a certain extent on adults and society in the name of law and order, but the point of liberal society is that a certain freedom of thought and action is ultimately beneficial in a fomenting experimentation and creativity.<br /><br />Religion is generally a conservative force and atheists are often dominanant or at least more vocal amongst progressives. This is of course not an absolute. And, certain values that are traditionally religions -- like solidarity with the less privileged -- are the very basis of progressive thought.<br /><br />This is a big subject and would take a great deal of analysis. I was simply writing from an intuition that of American Hare Krishna devotees, I would bet that the proportion who voted Democratic Party last year, of the ones that voted, of course, would far exceed Republican. It is a very broad coalition, but in terms of political values, devotees tend to be more like New Agers and Yoga types.<br /><br />A lot of sociological research could probably be done on this line of questioning. Particularly where Indian immigrant supporters of KCM are concerned. I assume Indian immigrants all vote Democratic Party as well, but they are probably much more socially conservative than Western devotees.<br /><br />Anyway, the above is pretty much all speculation. Just some thoughts.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-75162610582348810282009-08-15T00:00:03.581-04:002009-08-15T00:00:03.581-04:00Hmm, funny, I was thinking its the other way aroun...Hmm, funny, I was thinking its the other way around: 'liberal' is the fluff while 'progressive' would be the term conveying meaning. You see, something may be liberal, but unless its progressive, its redundant. Like the example of abortion: in political circles to be pro abortion is considered liberal. But it isn't liberal enough to be called progressive. But if something is progressive it automatically is liberal in the sense of liberality being generosity, no concern with the exhausting of the source - giving as generative of giving. So progressive becomes synonymous with meaning. <br /><br />Now, the concept of varnashram-dharma may indeed be called liberal - its a concept as superficial as its defining adjective. What is meaningful and therefore progressive is sanatana-dharma - sanatana-dharma is affectual action, while varnashrama-dharma is value-rational action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-4857705408608224342009-08-14T21:36:28.842-04:002009-08-14T21:36:28.842-04:00http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/200...http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/14/alpha-male-course-prayer-christianityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-31231243436518530562009-08-14T11:46:46.173-04:002009-08-14T11:46:46.173-04:00Progressive is really a word without much meaning ...Progressive is really a word without much meaning since it is used as an ornament by mainly left, but also right.<br /><br />Liberal has lots of meaning. We should be totally liberal to the extreme as long as it doesn't conflict with the life of other living beings. So tolerating murder is not liberal, rejecting varnasrama is liberal and so is starting a small open-door community on the basis of varnasrama-dharma. It must stay small though in order to be liberal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-47980118913398605232009-08-13T12:53:26.885-04:002009-08-13T12:53:26.885-04:00And are liberal ideas in the world out there alway...And are liberal ideas in the world out there always, necessarily, progressive? This is what I, an old devotee, am questioning these days as I push, to may left, concepts such as abortion as far away as possible from me. To my right, I push away as hard as I can concepts such as varnashram, i.e., the caste system, and all its derivatives in society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com