tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post2055930888051718303..comments2024-03-26T13:06:41.178-04:00Comments on Jagat: Krishna West: Pride and ShameJagadananda Dashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-72053271551718043962019-01-31T10:01:06.556-05:002019-01-31T10:01:06.556-05:00Hare Krishna, I am not sure what you are finding ...Hare Krishna, I am not sure what you are finding wrong with someone, regardless of who that may be that is submitting a plan that more than likely is better than the existing plan that has failed for years. It is like seeing someone who does not want to wake up. We may feel due to our understanding and convictions that what is submitted may not be on point. What you believe and feel is of no value if it is not in line with what Srila Prabhupada has stated. Personal view, ways and tunnel vision does not make things right. Personally, what I listen to and hear from HDG is reasonable and sound to me. It just makes sense and you can not help but see that this individual is sincere even if it is not perfect. It certainly is not like some of the issues that have been conservatively indoctrinated in members of ISKCON throughout the years. I for one had accepted a lot of views that were not really rational nor as it is stated by Srila Prabhupada. <br /> When I listen to HDG explain his views, for some reason or another I fine feel more truths are being instructed and those are given with sound and practical evidence that many want to swept under the carpet. Can we find anything wrong with having various trains of thought. It would be a big NO as long as it is solely based on what Srila Prabhupada has requested of us. Distortions of the same, would have to be carefully considered. Why not support and try to put in place submissions given based solely on what Srila Prabhupada has given us rather than doing the same things over and over forgetting where we are. I certainly mean no offense to anyone but am just simply stating what I see. Thank you very much. jagat pavitram dasjpghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759679860475398211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-2313551474606402412017-01-07T09:34:39.221-05:002017-01-07T09:34:39.221-05:00wny can't the most advanced Preachers (Hrid.m....wny can't the most advanced Preachers (Hrid.m. for example) be criticized for introducing a wider audience to become favorable to our movement? more people are being reached- more people are getting a higher favorability to our mission. this can only be good. I've seen us laughed at by outsiders because they don't understand us. we make it hard for them. this collective laughing puts us at a disadvantage to reach our countrymen. Let advanced preachers preach. i preached many years through yoga. we did kirtan and japa, Gita every class for years. anyone who would read a gita got one. many devotees were made. i never asked them to join my culture, and how are they ever attached to Krishna! Krishna works in mysterious ways- not just in ways you can see- like shaving a head, allowing yourself to be a subjugated woman, or wearing pink bedsheets and tinkling bells ad-infinitum. Ki Jay bliss club is out of the loop, or even out of the will of Krishna for serving their own countrymen. Srila Prabhupada said many things. specific, and broad. The famous quote says "you american boys and girls are intelligent- you find some way to make America Krishna conscious". that's broad. when he's pushing renunciation to individuals, he sometimes gives very narrow statements- those are usually quoted by narrow minded devotees- often puffed up with their own position- i know because i was one of them. when i had a change of heart, i realized that i was getting closer to the essential, main 8 instructions by Lord Gauranga. No hard and fast rules for chanting these names- hundreds and thousands of names to choose from- the lord is easily approached by the Jiva soul- offer all respect to others, a humble state of mind- tolerant like a tree, etc.. etc.. how hard is this Jiva Souls? we chant the names as Jiva souls. Lets be Jivas- not men or women, not brahmin or sudra, not swami or householder- Lord Gaura means to strip all these things, all these dresses even we wear in iskcon- so we can realize we are Servant of the Servant of the Servant (of) Krishna's best servants. I think Hridayananda m. is breaking new psychic ground in our movement to help us attain a closer position in Lord Gaura's orbit, and readying the world for the next flood of Love of Krishna. Only time will tell- just please, let the advanced Preachers preach. SP told us to do this in his own books. ShyamGopala dasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-50732543267746339002016-08-15T23:28:45.303-04:002016-08-15T23:28:45.303-04:00I did not join the Hare Krsna movement to wear a u...I did not join the Hare Krsna movement to wear a uniform. I believed in the idea that everything can be used in God's service. I lived as a monk for many years and wore robes while working in the temples. Now temples have changed and many devotees require money to make ends meet...hence, I work outside, and have to look the part. I don't identify with my work clothes. And when I come to worship in the temple it feels natural to wear temple garb. End of story.<br /><br />Prabhupada did not preach wearing a uniform. According to time, place and circumstance we preach the philosophy. The same with clothing. I don't identify with any of it. It's not essential to consciousness. End of story.vaishnavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02438615674575769059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-78667209557377934482015-10-26T06:19:36.368-04:002015-10-26T06:19:36.368-04:00Danagatiji. No doubt it is best for a disciple to ...Danagatiji. No doubt it is best for a disciple to follow as much of the spiritual master's direction as possible, but in general it might be well to understand that _no one_ can follow all the directions that are there, such as in Hari bhakti vilasa. Bhakti is not the path of grace for nothing, so there is much room for leeway. There are many verses that describe how even a small amount of service done sincerely is better than great external show. This is the difference between vaidhi bhakti and raganuga, as an ethos. At any rate, I think that to be a "taker of the essences" is advisable. See and acknowledge the good in others, and follow the path to the best of your ability, according to your understanding, for yourself. The worst thing would be to create a mood of animosity with those who are not following all the instructions when you yourself are unable to follow everything.<br /><br />If the dress is important to you, and I agree that it serves an important function in strengthening your self-identity as a Vaishnava, and is therefore a valuable assist in breaking free of conditioned identity constructs, you must be careful that it does not simply become _another_ such construct.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-3833537969404134852015-10-26T06:13:58.683-04:002015-10-26T06:13:58.683-04:00Patrick, I am sorry I missed answering your questi...Patrick, I am sorry I missed answering your questions. This apology is now long, long overdue. If you write me at vrindavantoday at Google mail, I will try to respond. If you get this.<br />Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-69061411700588724562015-10-22T17:54:01.905-04:002015-10-22T17:54:01.905-04:00Krsna bhakti can only appear in the heart if we fo...Krsna bhakti can only appear in the heart if we follow the orders of guru. <br /><br />it was Srila Prabhupada's strict instruction to many of his disciples to always maintain Vaisnava dress code. <br /><br />after Kirtanananda Swami tool sannyasa and came back to New Vrndavan he started preaching that Srila Prabhupada did not want Viasnava dress. Srila Prabhupada wrote back telling him that he disturbing the society by preaching bogus stuff. Srila Prabhupada told him that he wanted him I sannyasa dress at all Times. i think he also chastised Guru das for not following the dress code. <br /><br />if Srila Prabhupada's disciple who were personally trained by him fail to follow the strict Vaisnava ettiquttes, how do we expect the rest of the generation to follow. <br /><br />HG Krpamoya Prabhu once mention in a Kirtan ettiqutte class, that what we do know will be followed by the future generation. if we mess up now the future generation will be missed up. <br /><br />it is like a Mathematical equation. if we get one step wrongat the top then the answer will be wrong. <br /><br />another analogy is a straight line. one fraction off and the line will be move in a different direction. Similarly what changes we make to the movemeƱt now will effect the movement in the future. <br /><br />danagati dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10743516157618635424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-77883324054055681712015-03-20T00:02:34.298-04:002015-03-20T00:02:34.298-04:00Why not drop the silly Krishna part and have it ju...Why not drop the silly Krishna part and have it just "West" and teach about Western stuff like Thomas Paine, Baudelaire and stuff like that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-90267054744532832182014-03-21T10:41:31.078-04:002014-03-21T10:41:31.078-04:00Did you check the keywords? Did you check the keywords? Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-9267216071484057242014-03-21T05:18:14.555-04:002014-03-21T05:18:14.555-04:00Ha Jagadananda Prabhu,
I have a question and you s...Ha Jagadananda Prabhu,<br />I have a question and you seem to be the best person in the Gaudiya community to ask it to.<br /><br />For a long time now I have doubts about the relevance of the Radha-Krishna symbol to my life... in the sense 'Why this particular couple out of poems of poets from a small subculture in far away India ?'. Even the message of the Bhagavad-Gita seems stranger to me than ever before. I guess I am losing faith... Radha and Krishna are becoming mythological figures, just like Aphrodite and Cupido already are.<br /><br />I have been reading a lot of articles by C.G. Jung lately in the hope he would provide me with some answers. I also know you have some opinions about Jung and the relevance of his archetypes to Gaudiya philosophy.<br /><br />Could you share some of your views on Jung, specifically in relation to GV.<br /><br />Yours sincerely,<br />PatrickPatricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-88661218289779407292014-03-16T10:05:07.127-04:002014-03-16T10:05:07.127-04:00What can I say, Darwin. Jai Gaura. The golden moon...What can I say, Darwin. Jai Gaura. The golden moon is rising over the mountains of Rishikesh. That summarizes my forlorn situation. But there is still time.<br /><br />Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-35455559974332338862014-03-16T09:01:34.589-04:002014-03-16T09:01:34.589-04:00Hi its darwin. I haven't read you in a long ti...Hi its darwin. I haven't read you in a long time, Jagat. And cool beard. I thought you'd be busting the whole thing open a lot more by now. Come outside of everything you're thinking. Lie to yourself and stop betraying the part of you the truth is covering. This style of Western analysis of our Hare Krishna religion.. there is no real Western analysis of religion. The utter boredom mundane depressing mood of it should be a giveaway. There is no sexual psychoanalysis. In any so-called study of religion. Its like Freud and Melanie Klein never existed. There is no open all-out total defense of the self or soul in any and all struggles or problems we have dealing with or acknowledging waking reality. Like Nietzsche was never here. 'I want to do something to my forebrain' Don't you remember when you first joined the Hare Krishnas? And all this with us here, you and your thinking and me and my refusal and my.. whenever you complete your universe you make a wall around it, I just say I'm on the other side of that. Remember seeing Nilachale Mahaprabhu? Wow I just found the whole thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vea04_6Zuko What's Caitanya's guru's name? "This is pure love for Krishna in separation. The description of the avatar in the Naradiya Purana fits him exactly.." "Sannyasi, pacified, devotional and peace loving.." His daughter's really hot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-32292084045198383842014-03-16T07:28:25.578-04:002014-03-16T07:28:25.578-04:00Or maybe guys just really don't like wearing p...Or maybe guys just really don't like wearing pantaloons.<br />--darwinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-33348931738301565342014-03-16T01:53:42.704-04:002014-03-16T01:53:42.704-04:00I think you should assume a Sunderananda Vidyavino...I think you should assume a Sunderananda Vidyavinode type persona at this time and be a trident to all this madness created by these Iskcon feeder gurus, you should basically take them apart now, you have tried the 'lets all get along approach'<br /><br />Maybe this has been your plan all along, and you been waiting for the right moment.<br /><br />If so I thinks it's hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-8562367138883518652014-03-16T01:45:09.436-04:002014-03-16T01:45:09.436-04:00Jagadananda Das said...
You are right, of course....Jagadananda Das said...<br /><br />You are right, of course.<br /><br />Anonymousji says...<br /><br />I know...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-82878402370409206972014-03-16T01:35:58.458-04:002014-03-16T01:35:58.458-04:00My thought, Sungazer, is that Hridayananda Maharaj...My thought, Sungazer, is that Hridayananda Maharaj is actually correct, but that does not solve the underlying problem that I am trying to point out.<br /><br />A proper action done for the wrong reasons is not going to be effective in the intended way and may indeed have effects contrary to the intention.<br /><br />I do not trust someone who does things "for the sake of preaching." Preaching what? This preaching is of a religion. And from what I have seen, other than this dress business, Krishna West purports to be about dress and appearance only. As I say in this article, I think that is just the external dress. This is the thin edge of a wedge, but one that will shape Krishna consciousness in Hridayananda's image. <br /><br />I doubt that he has grasped what Krishna consciousness in Rupa Goswami's image, or Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's image is. From what I see, HDG is trying to synthesize a fundamentalist Prabhupadaism with his desire to fit into the world of his bodily identity.<br /><br /><br />Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-87947981493673589882014-03-15T17:50:36.914-04:002014-03-15T17:50:36.914-04:00Great Artice!!!Great Artice!!!Dharmashalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09627294247466876798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-41554841109439511222014-03-15T12:13:43.443-04:002014-03-15T12:13:43.443-04:00Pamho JagatJi. I am just thinking out loud. If I d...Pamho JagatJi. I am just thinking out loud. If I dont wear kanthiMala, tilak and have a sikha, then is it somehow assumed that I cant have Sri Krsna Bhakti in my heart? Assume at your own risk. What do we know, from external appearances about his internal state? Is it not true, in Vraja there are so many Uttama Devotees,who have had Darshan of Sri Sri Yugal Kishore, and in fact internally are very dear to Sri Bhagwan. They probably participate in the nitya leela, and they can hide it very well. So, what do we know. Who are we to judge? To say no, we dont accept that you can have Bhagavat Prapti? We may say whatever we want, and we can justify all our 'standards' of who Vaishnabas are and arent. sungazernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-35827701676518500252014-03-15T11:41:03.087-04:002014-03-15T11:41:03.087-04:00You are right, of course.You are right, of course.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-42846853629973603562014-03-14T23:47:32.452-04:002014-03-14T23:47:32.452-04:00Thanks for the comment, Anonymousji. I wrote simpl...Thanks for the comment, Anonymousji. I wrote simply as an observation based on the confluence of two elements. My truth underlies everything I say and this too is part of it.<br /> Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-48027166681376649192014-03-14T10:59:32.493-04:002014-03-14T10:59:32.493-04:00When are you going to stop speaking on this elemen...When are you going to stop speaking on this elementary form of GV? <br /><br />Any idiot can argue with these feeder Iskcon gurus.<br /><br />You know more, why are you not speaking the hard truth anymore?<br /><br />You want disciples ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-63572282635909667392014-03-14T03:35:35.113-04:002014-03-14T03:35:35.113-04:00A couple of issues come to mind that have not been...A couple of issues come to mind that have not been mentioned here.<br /><br />Krishna "West" really means Krishna as perceived by Americans, and a particular subsection of America at that. <br /><br />Americans have been the protagonists of the spreading of KC everywhere in the world, and the American stamp is already clear in its international manifestation.<br /><br />There is little doubt that Prabhupada himself promoted this, but the American personality is not adored everywhere, nor considered normative, whatever the existential situation. <br /><br />Needless to say, the American optic is neither universally desirable, nor loved, and certainly not the absolute standard.<br /><br />Another thing is that Hridayananda is a wealthy man by birth. It is hardly unusual for him to want to hang on to his class advantages, rather in opposition to the classical concepts of sannyas.<br /><br />I take this as a consequence of his personal shame in relation to his class and a mostly unconscious attempt to support an ideological justification for that advantage, in keeping with the Marxist critique. Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.com