tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post117268705366323837..comments2024-03-26T13:06:41.178-04:00Comments on Jagat: Ahangrahopasana and Aropa, Part IVJagadananda Dashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-30548889702367211832020-10-16T00:59:19.440-04:002020-10-16T00:59:19.440-04:00राधे शयाम प्रभु जी,
You wrote:
"Since the Sa...राधे शयाम प्रभु जी,<br /><br />You wrote:<br />"Since the Sahajiya follows the bhāva rather than the scriptural details prescribed in the various smaraṇa-paddhatis"<br /><br />An important issue in your statemant is to say whose bahāva do the sahajias folow instead of the vrajavasis bhavas, as in smaraṇa-paddhatis described to do?anadihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02895726279034397672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-73218829298195273692020-10-16T00:53:30.059-04:002020-10-16T00:53:30.059-04:00Since the Sahajiya follows the bhāva rather than t...Since the Sahajiya follows the bhāva rather than the scriptural details prescribed in the various smaraṇa-paddhatis, <br /><br />राधे शयाम प्रभु जी,<br /><br />whose bhāva do the sahajiyas follow, since the orthodox gaudiya vaishnavas follow the vrajavasis bhavas?<br /><br />This is a very importand isue to be discussed.anadihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02895726279034397672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-19866866692220987672007-10-11T16:21:00.000-04:002007-10-11T16:21:00.000-04:00The question here is not Indian or European. I am ...The question here is not Indian or European. I am not advocating the wholesale adoption of Indian mores. My feeling is that Radha and Krishna speak to us archetypally, to a purely unconscious and emotional aspect of our being, of our being before God, and not of social relationships as such, except that they do prioritize the idealized feminine, which means service and love.<BR/><BR/>This means that any Sahajiya doctrine must, by definition, advocate moral, legal and social equality for women. If there is a society that does not accept that, then they are not Sahajiya.<BR/><BR/>One of the things I am trying to get across is the dynamic nature of ideas. Vaishnavism in the West will not necessarily be the same as Vaishnavism in the East. For one thing, modernity has changed us so much that we live in different worlds from those who have traditional world views. This does not mean that some of the insights of the past cannot be adapted to our present needs. Some things ARE eternal. The social position of women has changed fairly recently and is still far from ideal. The Radha-Krishna idea takes us out of the masculine world of deeds and into the feminine world of play. The sexes each have the upper hand in their respective domains; I think this is inevitable. It is perhaps best that way, as cooperation means the best of both worlds. <BR/><BR/>That is why I think that you should not be to hasty to judge societies where traditional gender roles are still in vogue. But we cannot and should not try to return to those pre-modern roles. <BR/><BR/>Moral equality means that everyone has the freedom to be an individual and to resist socially imposed stereotypes if they go contrary to his or her nature, and to expect respect as an individual, irrespective of their adherence to socially imposed stereotypes.<BR/><BR/>All these Anonymous people. It's hard to tell the players without a scorecard. Please people, use some kind of alias, at least, especially if you post more than once.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-82960154152615237092007-10-11T14:18:00.000-04:002007-10-11T14:18:00.000-04:00"Nevertheless, one thing that struck me was the re..."Nevertheless, one thing that struck me was the respect with which he treated his wife in public situations, doing things like making sure she was comfortably seated and given water, etc. These were not things that you saw in India, ever"<BR/><BR/>It is not uncommon for Indian husbands to see to the comforts of their wives in public. I've seen it a number of times.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I guess my experience with India is that no matter how "progressive" or "radical" or "esoteric" a person or group deems themselves, I've seen the same old, same old stereotyped gender roles and that is a big turn off for me.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, can you provide the links to your biographical notes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-85203548678049962402007-10-10T18:44:00.000-04:002007-10-10T18:44:00.000-04:00If you read some of my biographical notes, you wil...If you read some of my biographical notes, you will have noticed that my association with the living Sahajiya tradition was rather brief. Nevertheless, one thing that struck me was the respect with which he treated his wife in public situations, doing things like making sure she was comfortably seated and given water, etc. These were not things that you saw in India, ever.<BR/><BR/>When I was initiated, there were two senior women and two men on the "panel."<BR/><BR/>As to traditional roles, I would say that on the whole they were traditional. I don't think it is really appropriate to expect much different.<BR/><BR/>But as far as authority is concerned, I have only my own. I speak for no one but myself.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-33402063304093891062007-10-10T13:43:00.000-04:002007-10-10T13:43:00.000-04:00When you speak for the sahajiya point of view, fro...When you speak for the sahajiya point of view, from who's authority do you speak? Is there a particular community which you are a part of or at least in regular contact with?<BR/><BR/>Is it male dominated?<BR/><BR/>Are the roles the women take therein similar to the roles expected of the majority of Indian women in Hindu culture?<BR/><BR/>When you visit their homes who is serving the chai?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-1172706852710281052007-02-28T18:54:00.000-05:002007-02-28T18:54:00.000-05:00Anybody know how to redefine the bullets in this p...Anybody know how to redefine the bullets in this program? They look fine as I type (either ordered or unordered lists), but turn into these ridiculous daisy shapes when I post. <BR/><BR/>I went into the model and redefined the predefined bullet icon, but just erasing it did not work. I put in an another icon I found on the web, but it does not look right either. And it overrules the numbered list.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.com