tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post8650382259591163527..comments2024-03-26T13:06:41.178-04:00Comments on Jagat: Worshiping Krishna as the substratum in all beingsJagadananda Dashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-70431887597531395092017-01-13T10:02:41.114-05:002017-01-13T10:02:41.114-05:00"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda,...<br />"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda, the supreme enjoyer, whose form is transcendental, who is beyond the touch of the three modes of material nature, and who is all pervading Supersoul residing in the-hearts of all living entities, will appear again in the Kali-age. Appearing as the greatest devotee, the Supreme Personality of Godhead will assume a two-armed form of golden complexion in His abode of Goloka Vrindavan manifested on the bank of the Ganga at Navadvip. He will disseminate pure devotional service in the world. This incarnation of the Lord is described in the following verses." <br /><br />Continue reading at:<br /><br />http://wikikrishna.com/index.php?title=Prediction_of_Sri_Chaitanya_Mahaprabhu_I<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-72653534231449551832017-01-10T07:35:32.652-05:002017-01-10T07:35:32.652-05:00
My person is currently looking for a digital copy...<br />My person is currently looking for a digital copy of the Īśāna-saṁhitā, and whilst searching came across the following anthology which also included a verse from the Īśāna-saṁhitā:<br /><br />http://www.purebhakti.com/resources/ebooks-a-magazines-mainmenu-63/bhakti-books/english/266-caitanya-mahaprabhu-the-original-form-of-godhead.html<br /><br />And thought that you (Krishna Kanth) may be interested in reading the same.<br /><br />Kind regards,<br /><br />M.N.<br /><br /><br />Notes <br /><br />śṛṇu yār vāṅgi subhage yat sampanṭaṁ gopitaṁ vacaḥ<br />eka eva hi gauraṅgaḥ kalau pūrṇa-phala-pradaḥ<br />yau vai kṛṣṇaḥ sa gauraṅgas tamo-bhedo na vidyate<br />śikṣārthaṁ sādhakānāñ ca svayaṁ sādhaka-rūpa-dhṛk<br />śikṣā-guruḥ śacī-putraḥ pūrṇa-brahma na saṁśayaḥ<br /><br />Lord Śiva said to Pārvatī: “O lady with beautiful limbs! O <br />auspicious one! Listen to my answer in response to your confidential <br />inquiry! Only the worship of Śrī Gaurāṅga Mahāprabhu will yield full <br />results in the age of Kali. Kṛṣṇa is Gaurāṅga. There is no difference <br />between Them. The Supreme Lord will assume the form of a sādhaka <br />to instruct devotees in the method of worship (bhajana), as a śikṣā-guru. <br />Of this there is no doubt.”<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-3290284692355080652017-01-07T13:05:36.956-05:002017-01-07T13:05:36.956-05:00My apology Krishna Kanth for writing anonymously, ...My apology Krishna Kanth for writing anonymously, it is śrī maccidānanda nātha; my person sometimes writes without thought of names, and the name śrī maccidānanda nātha is one that my person may use from time-to-time.<br /><br />Thank you for kindly for making the effort to write openly and honestly about yourself, your candor is very much appreciated.<br /><br />From what you have said, you are truly in good company and fortunate at a young age to be in such good fellowship of those whom only have the best intentions for you.<br /><br />My person is happy to know you, humbled by your practice, and wishes you well.<br /><br />Yours in truth,<br /><br />M.N.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-68103811971382986592017-01-06T08:37:13.853-05:002017-01-06T08:37:13.853-05:00Dear Anonymousji,
Thank you very much for your pa...Dear Anonymousji,<br /><br />Thank you very much for your patience for reading my extensive comments, Actually I sent my realizations from the debate without any scriptural quotes to Jagatji via facebook, for confirmation and requested him to correct my points. He kindly read my message and agreed with my points and told me to post this msg in his blog as a comment.<br /><br />This is the msg sent by him to me in his own words via fb:<br /><br />"I agree.<br />You can post to the blog, it would be good there as a comment."<br /><br />Then with his permission I posted my comments supported with scriptural quotes.<br /><br />I am just a 22 year old man introduced to Krishna Consciousness through ISKCON in the year 2012. I am in my budding stage of my Krishna bhakti, a non-initiated sadhaka searching for a Sad-Guru.<br /><br /><br />My experiences in my KC are:<br /><br />1. Krishna is my ever well- wisher and my best friend as he himself says Suhådaà sarva-bhütänäm<br /><br />2. As the lord says in the Gita Bg 18.57<br /><br />cetasä sarva-karmäëi<br />mayi sannyasya mat-paraù<br />buddhi-yogam upäçritya<br />mac-cittaù satataà bhava<br /><br />In all activities just depend upon Me and work always under My protection. In such devotional service, be fully conscious of Me.<br /> <br />Bg 18.58<br />mac-cittaù sarva-durgäëi<br />mat-prasädät tariñyasi<br />atha cet tvam ahaìkärän<br />na çroñyasi vinaìkñyasi<br /><br />If you become conscious of Me, you will pass over all the obstacles of conditioned life by My grace. If, however, you do not work in such consciousness but act through false ego, not hearing Me, you will be lost.<br /> <br />SO, I DON’T KNOW HOW KRISHNA IS ORCHESTRATING MY LIFE. Every moment I have to be dependent on him rather on my imperfect senses and my pea-brain. My duty is only to serve him and the Vaishnavas, finding faults in me without finding faults in others. I have to be in a neutral state (AS MY ONLY GOAL BEFORE COMING TO KC WAS TO KNOW MYSELF AND MY CREATOR AND MY RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM), keeping complete faith in Krishna rather than being a fanatic member of any party and stop speculating how the lord is guiding my life. This is what Krishna wants as he says:<br /> <br />sarva-dharmän parityajya<br />mäm ekaà çaraëaà vraja<br />ahaà tväà sarva-päpebhyo<br />mokñayiñyämi mä çucaù<br /><br />Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.<br /><br />In these years of my Krishna Bhakti, There are many instances in my life where I can see the lord's personal hand in my life protecting me from several deviations and making me stick to the only one point "SRI KRISHNAM SHARANAM MAMA"<br /><br />Ultimately by Sri Gaura-Nitai and Sri Vaishnavas Kripa I can get Krishna Prema. What I meant by your term "the validity of Kṛṣṇa consciousness as a cohesive whole relative to the own experience of grace" is like this:<br /><br />Sri Gauranga's servants are the most merciful in this Kali Yuga giving Krishna-prema to the most unfortunate souls like me, I am in a deep dark well (which is compared to the material world) always suffering from the kleshas. For delivering me from this well, the Vaishnavas are lowering a bucket in the well so that I can climb and sit in the bucket and they are pulling the bucket out of the well. Especially in Kali Yuga it takes some effort to hold on to the bucket and sit in it QUIETLY without making any mischief and not falling from it in the middle of the process of deliverance from the DEEP DARK WELL. <br /><br />This effort of "SITTING IN THE BUCKET QUIETLY WITHOUT MAKING ANY MISCHIEF AND ALWAYS HAVING A PRAYERFUL MIND AND A GRATEFUL HEART", is what I am calling as the Sadhana of a sadhaka to get Krishna Prema especially in my case. <br /><br /> <br />I am grateful to many Vaishnavas especially from Sri Sampradaya and Gaudiya Sampradaya (ISKCON, GAUDIYA MATH, TRADITIONAL- PARIVARS) for their mercy.<br /><br />All glories to the Vaishnavas,<br />Jay Sri Radhe.<br />Krishna Kanthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-64436240349524920472017-01-02T23:49:27.481-05:002017-01-02T23:49:27.481-05:00Dear Krishna Kanth,
It took a while to read throu...Dear Krishna Kanth,<br /><br />It took a while to read through your extensive 5-part comment, with all of its carefully crafted quotes, translations and commentaries (thank you for writing it).<br /><br />Will you kindly take the time to write about your own spiritual experience (in your own words), so that we may understand your 5-part commentary in context of the sum of the parts of your dialogue which project the validity of Kṛṣṇa consciousness as a cohesive whole relative to your own experience of grace especially in light of your closing comment:<br /><br />"Both the above two points are valid and must be applied in one’s Krishna Conscious life to get the complete picture of how a sadhaka attains Krishna Prema going through the stages from sraddha to prema."<br /><br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-9626861031707581342017-01-02T05:12:24.563-05:002017-01-02T05:12:24.563-05:00
5. Krishna Prema cannot be attained by practice l...<br />5. Krishna Prema cannot be attained by practice like becoming a scholar in the field of academic knowledge, it is only attained by Sri Guru-Vaishnava Seva and kripa is supported from C.C, B.R.S <br />From Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita:<br />Advaitaji’s translation:<br />Madhya 22.107<br />nitya-siddha kåñëa-prema ‘sädhya’ kabhu naya<br />çravaëädi-çuddha-citte karaye udaya<br />“Love of Kṛṣṇa is eternally perfect, it is never merely produced by sadhana – when the heart is purified by hearing and so, it arises.”<br /><br />Madhya 19.151<br />brahmäëòa bhramite kona bhägyavän jéva<br />guru-kåñëa-prasäde päya bhakti-latä-béja<br />“Wandering throughout the universe, some fortunate soul receives the seed of devotion, by the grace of Guru or Kṛṣṇa.<br /><br />From Sri Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu:<br />Bhanu Swami Translation:<br />||1.2.2||<br />tatra sädhana-bhaktiù—<br />kåti-sädhyä bhavet sädhya-bhävä sä sädhanäbhidhä |<br />nitya-siddhasya bhävasya präkaöyaà hådi sädhyatä ||2||<br />Translation: Now sädhana-bhakti will be defined: <br />Action of the senses, which produces the stage of bhäva, is called sädhana-bhakti. This attained state of bhäva-bhakti (sädhyatä) is an eternal sthäyi-bhäva which is not created, but simply manifests within the soul by the spiritual energy of the Lord. <br />6. Both Satyanarayana dasji and jagatji are correct in their own perspectives, <br />(a) Babaji wants to show that Krishna prema cannot be attained by one’s endeavour, but by the mercy and one’s seva of Sri Guru, Gauranga and the Vaishnavas. That is why he was saying that Krishna Prema is self-manifesting (svayam-prakasha) and IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO EXPERIENCE THE MATERIAL LOVE IN THIS WORLD FOR A PERSON TO UNDERSTAND RADHA-KRISHNA LILA WHICH IS COMPLETELY TRANSCENDENTAL.<br />(b) Jagatji is giving the example of HOW A COMMON MAN BECOMING A SADHAKA APPROACHES SASTRA AND UNDERSTANDS KRISHNA AND HIS PARAPHERNALIA THROUGH HIS MIND AND THE SENSES, WHICH 99.9% OF THE SADHAKAS WHO ARE NOT IN THE STATE OF PURE GOODNESS LIKE SRILA SUKADEVA GOSWAMI IN THIS WORLD PERFORM SADHANA.<br />(c) Both the above two points are valid and must be applied in one’s Krishna Conscious life to get the complete picture of how a sadhaka attains Krishna Prema going through the stages from sraddha to prema.<br /><br />Any comments and corrections are heartily welcomed.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Krishna Kanth.<br />Krishna Kanthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-76580972295067814372017-01-02T05:11:41.012-05:002017-01-02T05:11:41.012-05:004. As the jiva is in anadi-avidya, Krishna gives t...4. As the jiva is in anadi-avidya, Krishna gives the knowledge of bhakti through the sastras especially BG,SB and C.C for the gaudiya Vaishnavas to understand the sambandha, abhideya and prayojana. and he personally comes as Sri Rama Chandra, the maryada purushottama to teach the maryada and Sriman Gauranga Mahaprabhu, the prema-purushottama to teach Saranagati through the love of Srimati Radharani practically, A Jiva cannot understand himself and the lord, This knowledge must come externally is supported by Srimad-Bhagavatam.<br /><br />|| 1.18.16 ||<br />sa vai mahä-bhägavataù parékñid<br />yenäpavargäkhyam adabhra-buddhiù |<br />jïänena vaiyäsaki-çabditena<br />bheje khagendra-dhvaja-päda-mülam ||<br />TRANSLATION<br />Parékñit, the great devotee, with pure intelligence, attained liberation, in the form of the feet of the Lord having a flag marked with Garuòa, through knowledge spoken by Çukadeva. <br />COMMENTARY<br />“By jïäna one attains liberation. Why do you not desire liberation as a result of your knowledge?”<br />“For us devotees, jïäna actually means tasting the activities of the Lord. Its result, liberation, means attaining the feet of the Lord. Parékñit is the example. Please talk about the Lord’s activities by which Parékñit attained the lotus feet of the Lord who has a flag with Garuòa.”<br />“But in the Twelfth Canto it is said that Parékñit attains liberation.” <br />“That is true. He attained apavarga. Apavarga means the lotus feet of the Lord for the devotees. This is explained in the Fifth Canto. Yathävarëa-vidhänam apavargaç ca bhavati yo ’sau bhagavati bhakti-yogaù: liberation by methods according to varëa is bhakti to the Lord. (SB 5.19.19-20) Just as apavarga is defined as the lotus feet of the Lord, jïäna is defined as pastimes of the Lord, as described by Çukadeva. Thus it is not untrue that Parékñit attained apavarga by jïäna. This answers the question previously asked, “How did his death take place, and what did he achieve after his death?” (SB 1.12.2) <br /><br />|| 11.22.10 ||<br />anädy-avidyä-yuktasya<br />puruñasyätma-vedanam<br />svato na sambhaväd anyas<br />tattva-jïo jïäna-do bhavet<br />TRANSLATION<br />Because a person whether covered or not covered by beginningless ignorance cannot realize ätmä on his own, there must a separate Supreme Lord who knows and gives knowledge.<br />COMMENTARY<br />“I accept that there is different counting because of the inclusion of elements within others. How can some claim that jéva and the Lord are different, maintaining that there are twenty-six elements (by substituting prakåti for the three guëas, which made twenty-eight elements)?” Because it is not possible for the jéva, whether covered by avidyä or not, to have knowledge of ätmä on his own, there must exist a separate Supreme Lord. This is the Vaisëava philosophy. <br /><br />Krishna Kanthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-16470884774379917562017-01-02T05:10:46.967-05:002017-01-02T05:10:46.967-05:00
3. Both Vidya and avidya doesn’t exist in the lo...<br /><br />3. Both Vidya and avidya doesn’t exist in the lord but in the Jiva is supported from the following verse from Srimad-Bhagavatam:<br />|| 8.5.27 ||<br />vipaçcitaà präëa-mano-dhiyätmanäm<br />arthendriyäbhäsam anidram avraëam<br />chäyätapau yatra na gådhra-pakñau<br />tam akñaraà khaà tri-yugaà vrajämahe<br />TRANSLATION<br />We surrender to the knower of the living entities, präëa, mind, intelligence and ahaìkära, to the Lord who is not available to the senses and sense objects, who is constantly witnessing, but not affected, who has no vidyä and avidyä like the jéva, who is indestructible, and who is the form of happiness endowed with six great qualities.<br />COMMENTARY<br />Then the Lord’s omniscience is described. He is the knower (vipaçcitam) of the living entities, of their präëa, mind, intelligence and ahaìkara (ätmä). Ätma can also mean the body or the jéva. He cannot be grasped (abhäsam) by the senses or sense objects (artha). He is without sleep, seeing everything. But he is unaffected (avraëam), not suffering on seeing the jéva’s suffering. The reason for all of this is that in him avidyä and vidyä (chäyä ätapau) do not exist, as in the jéva (gådhra-pakñau). Therefore he is indestructible and he has his own eternal form of happiness (kham). According to the dictionary kham means the senses, happiness and Svarga. This happiness is enumerated. It is three times two, or six. The Lord has six outstanding qualities. We surrender to that Lord.<br />Krishna Kanthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-54600291846283709522017-01-02T05:06:05.909-05:002017-01-02T05:06:05.909-05:002. How a Jiva in avidya must approach Sri Guru is ...2. How a Jiva in avidya must approach Sri Guru is practically demonstrated by Srila Sanatana Goswamipada in Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita <br /><br />The Translations are by Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami <br /><br />Madhya 20.98<br />tabe sanätana prabhura caraëe dhariyä<br />dainya vinati kare dante tåëa laïä<br />Putting a straw in his mouth and bowing down, Sanätana Gosvämé clasped the lotus feet of Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu and humbly spoke as follows.<br /><br />Madhya 20.99<br />“néca jäti, néca-saìgé, patita adhama<br />kuviñaya-küpe paòi’ goìäinu janama!<br />Sanätana Gosvämé said, “I was born in a low family, and my associates are all low-class men. I myself am fallen and am the lowest of men. Indeed, I have passed my whole life fallen in the well of sinful materialism.<br /><br />Madhya 20.100<br />äpanära hitähita kichui nä jäni!<br />grämya-vyavahäre paëòita, täi satya mäni<br /> “I do not know what is beneficial for me or what is detrimental. Nonetheless, in ordinary dealings people consider me a learned scholar, and I am also thinking of myself as such.<br /><br />Madhya 20.101<br />kåpä kari’ yadi more kariyächa uddhära<br />äpana-kåpäte kaha ‘kartavya’ ämära<br /> “Out of Your causeless mercy, You have delivered me from the materialistic path. Now, by the same causeless mercy, please tell me what my duty is.<br /><br />Madhya 20.102<br />‘ke ämi’, ‘kene ämäya järe täpa-traya’<br />ihä nähi jäni—‘kemane hita haya’<br /> “Who am I? Why do the threefold miseries always give me trouble? If I do not know this, how can I be benefited?<br /><br />Madhya 20.103<br />‘sädhya’-‘sädhana’-tattva puchite nä jäni<br />kåpä kari’ saba tattva kaha ta’ äpani“<br /> “Actually I do not know how to inquire about the goal of life and the process for obtaining it. Being merciful upon me, please explain all these truths.”<br />Krishna Kanthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-28889029146030235982017-01-02T05:04:59.133-05:002017-01-02T05:04:59.133-05:00Jay Sri Radhe,
Dandavat Pranams.
Satyanarayana da...Jay Sri Radhe,<br />Dandavat Pranams.<br /><br />Satyanarayana dasa Babaji mentions the following points in his debate with you in the video:<br />1. He says that Krishna prema or the knowledge of bhakti is Svayam prakasha like the Sun, by quoting the verse from Sri Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu 1.2.2 <br />tatra sädhana-bhaktiù—<br />kåti-sädhyä bhavet sädhya-bhävä sä sädhanäbhidhä <br />nitya-siddhasya bhävasya präkaöyaà hådi sädhyatä<br /><br />and by giving the example of Sri Sukadeva Goswami, saying it isn’t NECESSARY to study the material sahitya or material love to understand Radha Krishna Lila.<br />2. He says that we can get aid from studying the human psychology (as you mentioned in the debate), and he gives an example that Krishna is bluish in colour, and says we shouldn’t think that he has bluish color like the cloud as he is transcendental.<br />3. He further says that just to give an idea or a concept for us, comparisions are made in sastras, but when we actually see Radha-Krishna, there is no comparision with the similarities mentioned in the sastra.<br /><br />I am including the commentaries of Srila Vishvanatha Chakravartipada on Srimad-Bhagavatam translated by Srila Bhanu Swami, as I have very poor knowledge of Sanskrit language, Please correct if any mistakes were present in the translations <br /><br />My conclusions with the support of sastras are:<br /><br />1. Right now the people in general in this world are avidya-grastha, The symptoms of a person absorbed in 100% avidya are given in Srimad-Bhagavatam. <br /><br />|| 3.12.2 ||<br />sasarjägre ’ndha-tämisram<br />atha tämisram ädi-kåt<br />mahämohaà ca mohaà ca<br />tamaç cäjïäna-våttayaù<br />TRANSLATION<br />Brahmä, the original creator, first produced the functions of ignorance: tamas, moha, mahämoha, tämisra and andha-tämisra.<br />COMMENTARY<br />The functions of ignorance had already been established. At the beginning of the daily creation, they make their appearance in various forms starting with tamas, directly from the Brahmä. Tamas means ignorance of the svarüpa of the jéva. Moha means the identification of self with body etc. Mahämoha means applying possessiveness to objects of enjoyment. Tämisra means the appearance of anger within the mental functions when one’s enjoyment is obstructed. Andha-tämisra means an unconsciousness state brought on by anger. This means death. Not present in the jéva, these were created by ignorance or avidyä. Viñëu Puräëa says:<br />tamo ’viveko mohaà syäd antaùkaraëa-vibhramaù<br />mahämohastu vijïeyo grämya-bhoga-sukhaiñaëä<br />maraëaà hy andha-tämisraà tämisraù krodha ucyate<br />avidyä païca-parvaiñä prädurbhütä mahätmanaù<br /><br />Tamas means lack of discrimination. Moha means mistaken identify in the mind. Mahämoha means the desire for happiness from material objects. Andha-tämisra means death. Tämisra means anger. These five types of ignorance made their appearance from Brahmä. <br />In Yogasütras, Pataïjali says <br />avidyä asmitä rägadveñäbhiniveñäù<br />Ignorance (tamas), false identity (moha), attachment (mahämoha), repulsion (tämisra) and fear of death (andha-tämisra) are the five types of ignorance.<br /><br />Viñëu-svämé has said:<br />Ajïäna-viparyäsa-bheda-bhaya-çokäù vastutas tv avidyäyä ävaraëa-vikñepäv eva dvau dharmau, täv eva avidyäsmitä-çabdäbhyäà ajïäna-viparyäsa-çabdäbhyäï cocyete<br />Ignorance of svarüpa, false identity, hatred, fear and lamentation are actually only two functions of avidyä, ävaraëa and vikñepa. Ävaraëa is called avidyä (tamas) or ajïäna and vikñepa is called äsmitä (moha), or viparyäsa. <br />Attachment, hatred and fear of death (räga, dveña, abhiniveça), though they are qualities of the mind, are types of vikñepa. Not being as prominent as vikñepa, they are included in it. <br /><br />Krishna Kanthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-44966828238047599512017-01-01T21:24:54.536-05:002017-01-01T21:24:54.536-05:00Thanks. There is more to come. Jai Radhe!
Thanks. There is more to come. Jai Radhe!<br />Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-48526571043065548712016-12-30T13:39:46.152-05:002016-12-30T13:39:46.152-05:00Dear Jagadananda, let me thank you for this articl...Dear Jagadananda, let me thank you for this article and the previous one in this series, "The natural loves and prema". I find your representation to be lucid and convincing. I am very grateful to you for the time and effort you have put into this "last attempt to deal with the questions" similar to mine. The outcome is brilliant. Thank you so much. Muraliswara dasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-22015818111864860112016-12-30T10:04:55.113-05:002016-12-30T10:04:55.113-05:00Yes, all you have said is true; the true realisati...Yes, all you have said is true; the true realisation of being one with the all and all with the one in the love of truth is experienced after the samādhi you spoke of "How do you become the original? Samadhi."<br /><br />The original, the source of all is known by direct experience, and in this living experience one see all as ones own self.<br /><br />Words alone do not convey this truth, all is a reflection of ones own self. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com