tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post7103127601762522765..comments2024-03-26T13:06:41.178-04:00Comments on Jagat: Sexuality and Spirituality: DangersJagadananda Dashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-71597047076438499442012-05-29T23:56:17.176-04:002012-05-29T23:56:17.176-04:00Just read through this entire thread, Tarunji, as ...Just read through this entire thread, Tarunji, as a result of your comment. Certainly an interesting one.<br /><br />It seems that the guru problem comes up a lot. India does not seem to be providing all the answers any more, and yet the Indian body seems to place high on the list of qualifications.<br /><br />I don't think we are ever too old, since the desire for love never stops. Somehow or another, it must be understood that bhakti is essential about feelings, and that feelings of love for another person, of any kind, can be connected to our devotional life.<br /><br />I have emphasized the sexual because I believe that erotic love is the foundation from which other loves arise.<br /><br />Jai Radhe!Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-14360910385807202302012-05-29T20:28:27.551-04:002012-05-29T20:28:27.551-04:00"As for marriage, etc., I think that it is no..."As for marriage, etc., I think that it is normally a good idea. As I am trying to make clear, this is a "romantic" concept, in the sense that prema, or love, is dominant over kama. In the sadhana stage, for sure, you are engaged in a practice. If you want something else, don't ask me for it. Marathon sexual stamina with unlimited partners is the porno star's siddhi. It may be considered a yoga of some kind, I suppose, but not bhakti-yoga."<br /><br />This is the point for me anyway. How to get from kam to prem? Right now my relationship to sex is total testosterone male aggressive style, so much the classic 'unconscious of the other' style of kama. That is, in my fantasies. That they are marginal and unimportant, I cannot agree with. It is such a powerful force that it penetrates (ha ha) into my consciousness regularly, with of course my consensual encouragement, even without a loyal and devoted partner. <br /><br />There is an appropriate place for sex and its thoughts, but that doesn't have to be the stool room. lol.. I've lived for decades with a schizophrenic attitude, a Jeckle and Hyde sort of approach to the subject. Dr. Jeckle seems such a mild mannered man, but he is cutting himself off from much of his natural energy, being Victorian and all. The Hyde has to come out, and it does in oh so many extreme and unbalanced ways. And now Hyde is such a criminal, a pariah, a social menace, but it is the Jeckles of the world who have created him. This so reflects the attitudes inside the devotee communities to this day. Once in a while someone doesn't live up to the standard, and does it in a public way, and a scandal ensues with the vultures eating it up. <br /><br />Coupled with spiritualizing sexuality, is something even more important to me in the man-woman relationship, and that is learning to communicate on all different levels, about whatever comes up. Being in a relationship certainly presses all your buttons, and getting good counselling to get through the morass of ego issues that arise and get right into your face, ie. become conscious, could be so extremely good for ones true spiritual development. By that i mean character development. Learning good communication techniques, ways that work to create empathy, to truly acknowledge the other, is so much in the spirit of personalism. And a child shall lead them. And a woman shall teach them. <br /><br />Maybe we're too old in this life for so many things. You can onlly get to what you can in any old life. We are limited not just by desire, but by circumstances that are apparently out of our control. I was in Navadvipa and also Radha Kunda, and didn't meet anyone who seemed to present any other path. That's what killed me about India, the almost complete absence of sadhus, at least ones that would be willing and able to interact. Well there is a God in control I think, and there is no shortage of lives. Heading in the direction of more love, more beauty is all we can do and that ain't too bad. You never know what is coming down the pipe anyway, and i am grateful for all the gurus i've encountered so far..Tarunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-15403806911271857672007-10-11T21:07:00.000-04:002007-10-11T21:07:00.000-04:00If it's only the latter then I wonder why marriage...If it's only the latter then I wonder why marriage has not been made compulsory in all Gaudiya Vaishnava sects?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-72376273038550535522007-10-11T20:03:00.000-04:002007-10-11T20:03:00.000-04:00Jiva and Vishwanath say that this means those who ...Jiva and Vishwanath say that this means those who cannot tell the difference between this rasa and material sexuality (prAkrita-sringara rasa). Mukunda says that it means the tApasas, i.e. ascetics. I take the latter as it more accurately corresponds in meaning.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-75130443520691241312007-10-11T17:35:00.000-04:002007-10-11T17:35:00.000-04:00"According to Rupa Goswami (BRS 3.5.2) discussion ..."According to Rupa Goswami (BRS 3.5.2) discussion of madhura rasa is not appropriate (anupayogi) for those who are engaged in reclusive, celibate lifestyles (nivRtta). If we agree that madhura rasa is the highest, then certainly there is a problem here."<BR/><BR/>Jagat, <BR/><BR/>Can you PLEASE write a post on this sloka, it's commentaries and the explanations of it you may have heard over the years by different vaishanvas, as well as your personal understanding of it.<BR/><BR/>I always remembered this and sought to seek it's meaning in context to the Vaishnava societies we all find ourselves in these days, where celibacy is considered favorable for the cultivation of raganuga bhakti.<BR/><BR/>Write something please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-1366226023352397492007-03-20T18:21:00.000-04:002007-03-20T18:21:00.000-04:00Jagat you say:"I wouldn't make too much of a big d...Jagat you say:<BR/><BR/>"I wouldn't make too much of a big deal out of it. Go to Radha Kund or Vrindavan, or Nabadwip, or Puri, and meet some of the prominent acharyas and see who you feel most in tune with."<BR/><BR/>Do you mean the Orthodox Gaudiyas, Sahajiyas or both? If I go to take diksha from one of the Orthodox wouldn't it be hypocritical of me to accept and then later go off in my own neo-sahajiya understanding? <BR/><BR/>Advaita warned me about not following and taking diksha some time back on GR...<BR/><BR/>Your insights are most appreciative, thank you again for the blog, it has been inspiring for me.<BR/><BR/>namaskar,<BR/><BR/>jijajiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-91489254666767648792007-03-15T11:42:00.000-04:002007-03-15T11:42:00.000-04:00Fair enough..Thank youFair enough..<BR/><BR/>Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-45823369022163600992007-03-15T10:53:00.000-04:002007-03-15T10:53:00.000-04:00Well, if you have a deep philosophical question, t...Well, if you have a deep philosophical question, take the time to express it along with the relevant issues. <BR/><BR/>I was also being serious. Having children should be a conscious, voluntary choice, with full awareness and acceptance of the responsiblities involved. It should never be an accident.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, it is a demanding lifestyle choice that makes full commitment to bhajan difficult. However, if you have your act together as a devotee couple, it does not seem to me that it would necessarily be pratikula to have children. <BR/><BR/>So, if you are capable of self-control, then that is best. If you are not capable of self-control, for safety's sake you may want to take a precaution. But of course, you should be aiming at self-control.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-11452537871762931332007-03-15T10:26:00.000-04:002007-03-15T10:26:00.000-04:00I am sorry, but the birthcontrol-question is reall...I am sorry, but the birthcontrol-question is really essential. Also from the philosophical point of view it is.<BR/><BR/>It may all sound tacky (which I like), but I am serious here. <BR/><BR/>If I accept sexy-sadhana in full as part of devotional yoga (after having attained the proper level of understanding and all that) must I not also accept the unmanipulated sexual energy in full....... meaning the result........ the life-changing experience of having a kiddo running around? Isn't that part of its sacredness also ? Or is this chopped off for convenience sake.<BR/><BR/>I may sound like an idiot, but I am asking a serious question here.<BR/><BR/>You are avoiding this topic over and over ?<BR/><BR/>Why ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-66314782054978238552007-03-15T09:44:00.000-04:002007-03-15T09:44:00.000-04:00Dear anonymous practitioner,I am very much in favo...Dear anonymous practitioner,<BR/><BR/>I am very much in favor of sexy-ness. Still. But my approach changed. I am not blinded by horny-ness anymore. My emphasis is on music now. Sexy-ness is for me more a kind of energy that can be expressed many ways.<BR/>The ways of my past were fun, but I wouldn't recommend them to my children, that's all. Because of the dangers involved.<BR/>Jagat says... use your brain. I say... there are two subjects where people usually don't use their brains. Religion and sexuality. The combination of these two must be dealt with with utmost care. <BR/>Now anybody underestimating the power (positive and negative) of the sexual energy is clearly out of his mind. Mixing it with religion can be desastrous. One must be able to answer all practical answers concerning the matter before launching a philosophy or method like this. If you cannot, then keep it to yourself.<BR/><BR/>Fact is that sex, love, the material world, the spiritual world, lust, shadow and reality are all somehow related.<BR/><BR/>I respect the orthodoxy for trying to keep things separated, although the orthodoxy is undeniably also faced with a few practical issues.<BR/><BR/>Sex and religion make many brains crack !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-5460325588149102752007-03-15T08:26:00.000-04:002007-03-15T08:26:00.000-04:00A lot of questions, and I am starting to have trou...A lot of questions, and I am starting to have trouble keeping up. <BR/><BR/>As to birth control, I would say use your brains and do the needful.<BR/><BR/>As to homosexuality, I agree with the bishop. <BR/><BR/>As to how a sahajiya guru looks, etc., I don't know. I sympathize with those who are looking. Listen for something that rings true. Hearing is more important than seeing.<BR/><BR/>I cannot say too much about the initiation, either. In my experience, there are no orgiastic rituals, nakedness, or anything like that. If that is what you are asking.<BR/><BR/>As for the difference between sahajiyaism and orthodoxy, if you read what I am saying, you will see that I don't really fit either description. I don't see any Sahajiyas talking about manjari bhava. I don't see any orthodox talking about aropa.<BR/><BR/>As for marriage, etc., I think that it is normally a good idea. As I am trying to make clear, this is a "romantic" concept, in the sense that prema, or love, is dominant over kama. In the sadhana stage, for sure, you are engaged in a practice. If you want something else, don't ask me for it. Marathon sexual stamina with unlimited partners is the porno star's siddhi. It may be considered a yoga of some kind, I suppose, but not bhakti-yoga.<BR/><BR/>As to whether this is the "ultimate" path for me. There has only ever been one path for me. That is why I can say to Prabhupada, "I am still with the program." Whatever anyone thinks--the ultimate goal of life is prema.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-80029755262666648012007-03-15T07:37:00.000-04:002007-03-15T07:37:00.000-04:00Lalanji das,First you are being sexy, which is goo...Lalanji das,<BR/><BR/>First you are being sexy, which is good, and then you are sympathizing with the orthodxy, while being terribly serious !?<BR/>I do not understand you.<BR/>Are you rejecting sexy-sadhana or are you in favor of it?<BR/><BR/>Jijaji,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your question. I was also looking for a guru like a cruising homo wandering around and looking in secret alleys.<BR/>I ended up in a local brothel.."Hello, what time the initiations start ?"<BR/>I do not recommend that place by the way,... very badly decorated.<BR/><BR/>Jagat,<BR/><BR/>Could you be more precise about how to recognize a true Sahajiya guru ? How does he walk, how does he talk ? Just going to a holy place and hoping to get lucky and trying to feel in tune is easy. I will fall in the hands of the most charismatic.....<BR/><BR/>What is sahajiya-initiation ? Is it like in Iskcon ? Or do they expect you to do certain things ? <BR/><BR/>And, more personnal, why have you chosen to be reïnitiated into a sahajiya lineage ? Is it the ultimate path or can we expect another shift in the future ?<BR/><BR/>I have been studying you and the prerequisites for performing sexy-sadhana seem to be...<BR/>-man/woman relationship (homos excluded)<BR/>-one on one (orgies excluded)<BR/>-love, respect and loyalty (marriage??)<BR/>-controlling the urges<BR/><BR/>Actually the orthodoxy does not deny sexy-sadhana under these circumstances either.<BR/><BR/>Leaves me with one question....<BR/>Do the Sahajiyas use protection..? (birth-control)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-90657195081032875512007-03-14T13:24:00.000-04:002007-03-14T13:24:00.000-04:00Just to footnote the comment about age, if one is ...Just to footnote the comment about age, if one is fortunate enough to have a loving and devoted partner, it is never too late.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-10206254770714775012007-03-14T13:23:00.000-04:002007-03-14T13:23:00.000-04:00Thank you Jijaji and Lalanji for your comments. Th...Thank you Jijaji and Lalanji for your comments. There is much food for thought, but certainly Lalan's last post makes it easy for me to clarify my thinking and to stick with my original idea. <BR/><BR/>I don't believe it is too late to engage in bhakti-sadhana. I don't believe that sexual practice is an absolute indispensible necessity for bhakti. If it were, the words ahaituki apratihata would be meaningless. Indeed, maturity can be a great help. After all, as we get closer to death, priorities become a little clearer and doubts about truth issues become less important than values or aesthetics.<BR/><BR/>As far as initiation is concerned, there is a double problem for the would-be Sahajiya sadhaka--both diksha and siksha are needed. These are rarely offered in the same place. Of the two, though, I would say diksha is more urgent, but complex questions of eligibility and so on are not as important as they may have been when you were younger. <BR/><BR/>Trust that many of the sadhakas who have passed a certain age and are still walking the walk and talking the talk are likely qualified to link you up to the sampradaya and to offer siddha pranali. I would only insist that snigdha (affection), svajatiyashaya (having the same spiritual goal) and svato-vara (more advanced than oneself) are not negociable. <BR/><BR/>I would imagine that someone like you would prefer an Indian guru, but that is not always the best thing. Indians don't always understand Western mentality and this often leads to unnecessary bad feeling.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't make too much of a big deal out of it. Go to Radha Kund or Vrindavan, or Nabadwip, or Puri, and meet some of the prominent acharyas and see who you feel most in tune with.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-19266990981683539472007-03-14T12:20:00.000-04:002007-03-14T12:20:00.000-04:00....."I remember when I first became interested in........"I remember when I first became interested in this path, I went to see a rather renowned intellectual Sahajiya in Nabadwip. I was in my 30's at the time. He said something like, "If only you had come to me 15 years ago, what I could have done with you!" So obviously he thought that I had pretty much wasted my time doing all the things I had done until then!"..........<BR/><BR/>So what about old farts like us...? Again I ask the diksha question, what are the choices for us older, grey..not so sexy people to get diksha? <BR/><BR/>Do we go wandering around Navadvipa town looking in secret alleys in search of a proper diksha Guru..?<BR/><BR/>What's the story morning glory...?<BR/><BR/>namaskarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-89735190166515713342007-03-14T09:11:00.000-04:002007-03-14T09:11:00.000-04:00One positive note.I found their music, vocal and i...One positive note.<BR/><BR/>I found their music, vocal and instrumental, absolutely stunning !!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-22091127604871803282007-03-14T09:04:00.000-04:002007-03-14T09:04:00.000-04:00I guess the orthodoxy has a strong point too point...I guess the orthodoxy has a strong point too pointing out that uncontrolled sexuality has all the characteristics of a snake just run over by a bicycle. And controlled sexuality can be like a snake in a judo-grip. When you let go, the shit starts all over again.<BR/><BR/>I too met some really nice Sahajiyas. But there are a whole lot I do not trust either. Because they were like me. They just wanted sex. There sanctification of it wasn't much. It was a scam. You could feel it. <BR/><BR/>They were eager to have me as their disciple. Why ? I looked good in my younger years, a well-trained, long armed, surfer pseudo-bhakta with eyes that were clearly searching something.<BR/><BR/>I was physically strong and mentally more or less. So I shook off a few of these pushy individuals. But one risk that also cannot be overlooked here is....... abuse. A mentally stronger Sahajiya guru can manipulate a naive young sadhaka straight into a psychosis. I have seen it happening. For this particular guru it was almost a matter of prestige... Will I succeed this time ?<BR/><BR/>To be honest.. personally I am still searching. But I rather have my own children at the feet of a monastic follower of the Gaudiya Math or a Gaudiya Babaji, then surrendering them to some of these Sahajiya communities. Over my dead body, I can say.<BR/><BR/>The point is that the philosophy behind it all, like you yourself experience, is not easily explained. I wander if they themselves even get it. It feels all very personal though, because they adopt you into their family and you are not left on your own as in most other Gaudiya communities. You must though speak the local language to have a clue what is going on. I obviously didn't.<BR/><BR/>I admit I do see why Swami Prabhupad and consorts were very very suspicious about the intentions of most of these communities. Now that I have children for myself, that is.<BR/>Even though he too wasn't able to protect all the children within his own community from abuse.<BR/><BR/>The older I get the more I appreciate the simplicity of classical values. And within a marriage based on love and respect I think maybe sexy sadhana is possible. <BR/>But for me, I am too old for this. My experiences were different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-79560794053952315772007-03-14T05:24:00.000-04:002007-03-14T05:24:00.000-04:00Thank you, Lalanji. And I am very sympathetic with...Thank you, Lalanji. And I am very sympathetic with your situation and am thinking about it. As I said once or twice, I am having a little difficulty seeing what the approach to this path would be for someone whose spiritual evolution has taken a different route than my own. I would assume that there would be more people like yourself than there are like me. And yet I suppose that the conditioning that came to me through my many years in orthodoxy has sensitized me to the possibilities of sullying something that I see in a very romantic light. <BR/><BR/>But you are absolutely right: One major point of this sadhana is that it engages the love-making organs, and develops control over them through that engagement, so why would it be necessary to have to go through a preliminary brahmachari stage?<BR/><BR/>I remember when I first became interested in this path, I went to see a rather renowned intellectual Sahajiya in Nabadwip. I was in my 30's at the time. He said something like, "If only you had come to me 15 years ago, what I could have done with you!" So obviously he thought that I had pretty much wasted my time doing all the things I had done until then!Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-42255046076076218972007-03-14T04:11:00.000-04:002007-03-14T04:11:00.000-04:00I have the feeling the eligibility Jagat is talkin...I have the feeling the eligibility Jagat is talking about in order to be able to perform the sadhana that we are discussing one actually first needs to be sexually detached and controlled (Iskcon-style) and very fixed in the conclusions of the Goswamis as explained by the orthodoxy.<BR/>My point is then..what's the point then ?<BR/><BR/>I was way too sexual to control myself as a non-hypocrtical brahmachari or a celibate grihasta. There is many like me, I guess. The result was I took shelter of a 'baulish' personality that said it was more or less okay. I doubt him too after years of being really convinced.<BR/><BR/>I was looking for a middle way,but only got extremes. Or... I was looking for a way to get rid of my sexual addiction or... I was looking for... whatever<BR/><BR/>There are many different types. <BR/>My stamina of the past was one of testosterone. If I abstained from sex, the result was restlesness or even agression. Indulging in it, well, actually resulted in the same.<BR/><BR/>But the sanctification of it isn't easy either as Jagat describes, because for that you actually need to be on the stage of a selfcontroled brahmachari first. <BR/><BR/>My conclusion (for the time being). Jagat is just as orthodox as Swami Prabhupad and that's okay. Who am I to judge ? <BR/><BR/>I have an extremely sexy past and was only able to give it up due to old age and impotence. So will I ever get eligible for any of these paths ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-33735818490489733072007-03-13T15:49:00.000-04:002007-03-13T15:49:00.000-04:00Lalan Das,I'm just saying that the procreation pla...Lalan Das,<BR/><BR/>I'm just saying that the procreation plan produces the opposite results in most cases...it makes people obsessively sexy..<BR/><BR/>Me like you getting older...<BR/>just want a simple spiritual path now..still confused about which direction.<BR/><BR/>Also...<BR/><BR/>Jagat, <BR/>I wanted to ask about diksha.. <BR/>If we want diksha and don't want IGM or Bhajananandi...where to go ? <BR/><BR/>What would you recommend?<BR/><BR/>I am happy for this Blog, although I like the format of forums better for discussions..<BR/><BR/>Jagat, why don't you start a forum..?<BR/><BR/>:-)<BR/><BR/>namaskarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-62887385969707562852007-03-13T13:54:00.000-04:002007-03-13T13:54:00.000-04:00Jijaji,I don't get it. What do you mean ?I love se...Jijaji,<BR/><BR/>I don't get it. What do you mean ?<BR/><BR/>I love sexy-ness. Procreation is not my main concern though. But indeed we can also not deny the clear relationship these two, sexy-ness and procreation, have. <BR/><BR/>How does the respected owner of this blog relate these two ? He seems to avoid this topic, yet is an expert in abstruse language. Just procreation he calls orthodox, outdated and something from the past. There is a deeper meaning. I tend to agree with the fact that there is a deeper meaning.<BR/><BR/>I am a deep-diver and indeed the result is this........ 5 lovely children (maybe even more) and many bills to pay.<BR/><BR/>My search isn't over, but I hoped to get practical answers here. But everybody is backing off as soon as I go in detailed descriptions of some sexual acts of te past. Then suddenly it is all too much.<BR/><BR/>My sexual energy is leaving me since I am at age. And to be honest in my youger years this energy made me restless. I wasn't able to control it the Iskcon-way, yet the alternative ways didn't bring a solution either. It was fun, but I was left with the consequences (children, one time chlamydia, two times gonnorhoea and many tears).<BR/><BR/>Only old age and my Sitar brought me some relief.<BR/><BR/>So do I really love sexy-ness ? I am doubting myself nearing the end of my life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-46484872908930106952007-03-13T03:57:00.000-04:002007-03-13T03:57:00.000-04:00Bauls, orthodox sahajiyas (like the owner of this ...Bauls, orthodox sahajiyas (like the owner of this blog), sexyvadis and the curious... we are all sahajiyas here. That's how people call us. Shouldn't we stand firm and unite instead of outsmarting eachother ?<BR/><BR/>And let Lalan have his orgies. If it's done with vegetarian people he LOVES, what's the problem ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-90893866963465480402007-03-12T21:44:00.000-04:002007-03-12T21:44:00.000-04:00....."By the way, I am not really on the Chop wood........"By the way, I am not really on the Chop wood, Carry water-plan. I think this filthy zennish slogan leads to great immorality and sexy-ness...."<BR/><BR/>Are you into the procreation plan? <BR/>I have to be frank and tell you that I have seen many who have tried that plan fall into horrid immorality and debauched wanton activity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-67606527645075202032007-03-12T16:20:00.000-04:002007-03-12T16:20:00.000-04:00By the way, I am not really on the Chop wood, Carr...By the way, I am not really on the Chop wood, Carry water-plan. I think this filthy zennish slogan leads to great immorality and sexy-ness.<BR/><BR/>And we don't want that, do we ? ;-)<BR/><BR/><BR/>PS. Although I sense some light mocking in my direction, I greatly appreciate the discussion on this forum. Even though I don't understand any of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-39471978696260992032007-03-12T15:59:00.000-04:002007-03-12T15:59:00.000-04:00Sitar ?? Are you serious ?Well I'm fed up with tha...Sitar ?? Are you serious ?<BR/><BR/>Well I'm fed up with that instrument anyways. I am practicing for years and I still sound like a mosquito.<BR/><BR/>It's gonna be karatalas from now on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com