tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post6335638422893453893..comments2024-03-18T13:27:17.365-04:00Comments on Jagat: Sex and Bhakti Yoga (Part I)Jagadananda Dashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-79764030247463197972017-01-04T10:23:03.304-05:002017-01-04T10:23:03.304-05:00Hare Krsna! What does Krsna mean when He says &quo...Hare Krsna! What does Krsna mean when He says "I am that sex life that is not contrary to religious principles" As far as i know, there are different expectations for the different varnas in the previous yugas. But in Kali yuga, everyone is less than sudra. If a man and women in Kali yuga can just stay together married in one life peacefully that is a great acheivement. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207447714529787503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-23397053684770491932017-01-04T06:14:32.299-05:002017-01-04T06:14:32.299-05:00There is another option: Making use of the potenti...There is another option: Making use of the potential that sexuality provides. If we understand the nature of the sexual energy, as the basis of our entire psycho-physical system, then its sublimation can lead to the higher states that you mention. But I agree that such sublimation can take place in the singular state or in the dual. Indeed without mastery, there is not much point in pursuing the Dual sadhana.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-70185392828885358422017-01-04T00:38:01.817-05:002017-01-04T00:38:01.817-05:00So here is a human being, the crown and glory of G...So here is a human being, the crown and glory of God’s creation, high above all the rest of the living species, going down to the gross, physical, material animal level and giving oneself totally to it—seeking it, wanting it, going after it, doing everything one can in order to obtain it, indulging in it, and wanting to have it always available. That means that one is voluntarily binding oneself down to a level of physical consciousness. brahmacharya is neither repressing sexuality nor avoiding sexuality. It is just bypassing sexuality—making use of this sexual potential for something ten times, a hundred times greater. Therefore, the question of repression and suppression is a misnomer. It is due to a lack of proper understanding of what the real spiritual quest is. If it is understood, then these terms will not be used. We are not just human beings; we are more than human beings. Our human status is only a pale reflection of what we really are. The only reason our human status acquires some meaning and significance is because if it is properly utilised, it can raise us up and take us into that which is our own, bring us into the Kingdom—to which we have a birthright.However, in one way the idea in the West that brahmacharya is suppression is not entirely off the mark. If one represses or suppresses some inherent natural force or faculty, it can bring about undesirable changes in the personality. If brahmacharya is forced upon an individual against the individual’s inclination and will, abnormal conditions naturally may result, because the person is being compelled to do something that deep within himself or herself the person does not want to do—compelled by others, by social restraint or by taking up vows that he or she ought not to have taken before having well considered exactly what it implied.<br /><br />But if an intelligent person, having deeply pondered the whole basis of life, says: “When I want to achieve something great, something mighty, I cannot afford to deplete the energies that I have. The more I conserve, the more I can divert into that achievement and the greater the chance of succeeding.” So thinking and having understood the rationale of it and fully appreciating the ultimate achievement it would lead to, if he or she voluntarily, willingly and with great enthusiasm undertakes celibacy, where comes the question of suppression?<br /><br />On the contrary, what appears to be a sort of denial is actually giving full self-expression to a higher dimension of your being into which you have now placed yourself. So, far from denying self-expression, it is giving full expression to yourself because you are no longer identified with the lesser aspect of your total personality. You are identified with the higher aspect. It is a sort of a liberation and evolution to a higher level. It is something positive, creative, and not anything negative. It is not a denial but an actual expression of yourself in the form of a keen aspiration and a noble ambition.Prem Nidhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-36791679516032270522012-05-30T22:25:49.125-04:002012-05-30T22:25:49.125-04:00There is a big difference between Bhakti Yoga and ...There is a big difference between Bhakti Yoga and Prema Yoga. Both are yogas...(a form of meditation). In Bhakti yoga you sacrifice for a higher cause in Prema yoga you enjoy to get to the higher cause. As you mentioned that the couple who can enjoy mundane love enhances his/her relationship for Radha-Krsna. Bhakti Yoga does not require physical contact. It's all done in pure form of meditation involving the heart and the mind. Prema Yoga (sahajiya) is a spiritual abuse. To me it is easier to enjoy in the name of loving God then to sacrifice and give it up. Love is an offering. Offering is made when we can surrender and make a sacrifice. That is why we have so many bogus gurus enjoying women and making them believe he is Krishna and they are gopis. It's all perverted/twisted way of saying I am intelligent and have the knowledge. Sounds like Hindus who will tell you, God is everywhere while they continue to do their nonsense act. Or something like I have read B.G but they don't have a clue what Krishna is saying in B.G. My point is more and more people want to enjoy why not go for something very few can do and be that special/best person? For argument and education sake sahajiya should be discussed but not to encourage the community in believing in it. To pursue Sahajiya is a spiritual suicide and very misleading. Hare Krishnapmirchanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11859835655875449143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-36624266749207288272012-04-29T23:16:49.392-04:002012-04-29T23:16:49.392-04:00I read some of your posts today and find them as t...I read some of your posts today and find them as the missing link for spiritual seekers. I have been myself very concerned about the fact of sex in spiritual life and how it has affected negatively the life of many devotees. I was initiated by Prabhupada in 1973 and have been outside of Iskcon for the last 15 years, after many years of bewilderment and confusion, like many other devotees for many reasons, but mainly after hearing the pastime of Tulasi Devi. I could never understand why Radha had to curse her to the material world for being with Krishna. After reading your posts, I believe you are the person who could please explain this. I would also like to know, from your understanding, if we are destined to remain eternally in this material world, as the humane manifestation of Radha Krishna, for Their pleasure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-55461696760713041052012-04-21T23:38:04.435-04:002012-04-21T23:38:04.435-04:00Dear Abhaya,
Absolutely right. This is much of w...Dear Abhaya, <br /><br />Absolutely right. This is much of what I have to say. I am going to write a little more on this subject. But there are several earlier blogs.<br /><br />I have written about kanishtha-madhyama-uttama in several places, and also about singular-dual-plural. Martin Buber had some interesting insights that can be found here as well. I will try to bring some of that together in my next post.<br /><br />In the meantime, may I suggest perusing the articles linked at the top of this page? Radhe Radhe.<br /><br />JagatJagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-59795599258310924752012-04-21T10:15:22.544-04:002012-04-21T10:15:22.544-04:00Let me have sex in my marriage. I am entitled to i...Let me have sex in my marriage. I am entitled to it. Sex can also be yoga. But my article simply says what the reality of sex is from spiritual point of view. The reality is that material life is in the mode of sex and sex is impersonalism. I am not just talking about the act of sex. Sex is our reality. From the moment we wake up till the night and then in our sleep we float in the mode of sex desire. This is material existence. And if someone wants to be in the material world that is fine. He may even keep celibate but in the material world he is floating in the existence of sex. He needs to move beyond impersonalism. He needs to become personal. <br /><br />If two people have sex all day long and do not talk to each other is this a real relationship? This is impersonalism. The impersonal way is the way most people relate to each other in this world. My article is not written by a conformist. It carries some revolutionary ideas but only the wise will perceive them. <br /><br />Abhaya Mudra Dasiabhayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05057061594640478864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-20604123178917431402012-04-20T16:57:30.794-04:002012-04-20T16:57:30.794-04:00the approach of many well known gaudiya-vaishnava-...the approach of many well known gaudiya-vaishnava-acaryas seems to cause unnecessary polarisation and may cause "evil shadows" in those who are unable to follow the ideals of "proper" household life or brahmacari life. what about those haven´t found the right life-partner yet? the picture presented by is quite idealistic. what about those who do not have sattvik samskaras from home and no adhikar from anartha-nivritti or nishta upwards or enough sukriti to be in constant high-class sadhu-sanga? how will they deal with this most powerful force that runs the universe. try to avoid and compensate with some kind of consumption or develop all kinds of dis-eases. where is the model for the left-outs?108 Holistic Healinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714603286023461807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-1956990013659502872012-04-20T14:31:54.793-04:002012-04-20T14:31:54.793-04:00A Real Cliff Hanger!
When can we look forward to ...A Real Cliff Hanger!<br /><br />When can we look forward to reading the next article?roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745721241083744347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-55145126389736050212012-04-20T11:59:24.276-04:002012-04-20T11:59:24.276-04:00Very Well written, indeed an eye opener. IMO sexua...Very Well written, indeed an eye opener. IMO sexual relationship is a human need and we can't just artificially ignore it in the name of Bhakti. If we see Krishna (GOD) as the creator of everything then yes it can be use to obtain him. it all depends on how one sees it. Not only Guru's are falling for that same sexual desire many ghrihastas are also experimenting that relationships can't last without it. Sex is so bad after all let's face it. Hare Krsna.pmirchanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11859835655875449143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-22526954574899173202012-04-20T04:09:11.930-04:002012-04-20T04:09:11.930-04:00very interesting, i´ve been investigating into thi...very interesting, i´ve been investigating into this since years. when will you post the follow up article? joy nitoy :-)108 Holistic Healinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16714603286023461807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-68680580118169438332012-04-20T00:48:08.227-04:002012-04-20T00:48:08.227-04:00Another excellent article Jagat. You present in yo...Another excellent article Jagat. You present in your most scholarly way a similar theological perspective to that which lead me to develop Universalist Radha-Krishnaism. Thank you for presenting it so clearly and authoritatively.Steve Bohlerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03452923540293133909noreply@blogger.com