tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post435760406682576348..comments2024-03-26T13:06:41.178-04:00Comments on Jagat: Manjari Bhava and Sexual RenunciationJagadananda Dashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-38103395377844440332009-09-10T19:38:43.243-04:002009-09-10T19:38:43.243-04:00Having been in a relationship with a female devote...Having been in a relationship with a female devotee for a long time , we have not had sex after a year , are you saying we should just have sex and this will be benefit us? I am a young man and would like this , but it seems not in line.Nuclear Indiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073310273311418770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-40492483727327060332007-10-16T07:35:00.000-04:002007-10-16T07:35:00.000-04:00To me this letting go and identification with Kris...To me this letting go and identification with Krishna that Pitambar says is the same that Sadharani-Karon. I always like to remmember that at Srimad Bhagavatam, the gopis imitate Krishna playing his flute.<BR/><BR/>Now, I think that we need to some context to this pratices. Who are the sahajiyas-gurus? what about the sahajiya-shastras?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-10176501961735643322007-10-11T22:10:00.000-04:002007-10-11T22:10:00.000-04:00But how do two manjaris serve Jugal Kishore by mak...But how do two manjaris serve Jugal Kishore by making love?<BR/><BR/>I thought the sahajiyas thought of themselves as Radha and Krishna or Shiv and Shakti while making love. <BR/><BR/>In the tantra tradition the male sadhak will do yoni puja of the female partner and invoke Devi into her.<BR/><BR/>I was under the impression something similar happened but in a Radha Krishna context, when sahajiyas do sexual ritual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-79125362893775547922007-10-11T21:55:00.000-04:002007-10-11T21:55:00.000-04:00You and your partner are manjaris. You are serving...You and your partner are manjaris. You are serving Radha and Krishna in their Nitya Vihara.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-85354072490104277222007-10-11T21:02:00.000-04:002007-10-11T21:02:00.000-04:00"If becoming a manjari is the goal of our sadhana,..."If becoming a manjari is the goal of our sadhana, why should it be any different while doing this activity?"<BR/><BR/>But how can one identify as a manjari in the sexual act with another manjari? This is where I'm confused. Or are you imagining your partner to be Krishna?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-71200710564135174862007-10-11T19:52:00.000-04:002007-10-11T19:52:00.000-04:00If becoming a manjari is the goal of our sadhana, ...If becoming a manjari is the goal of our sadhana, why should it be any different while doing this activity?<BR/><BR/>Nor is it, as Pitambar says, about letting go. This may have the benefits that he attributes to it, but I would prefer to understand this sadhana in the context of the goal and mood of the Gaudiya acharyas.<BR/><BR/>The Gaudiya acharyas are right when they say that ahangrahopasana is not particularly useful for bhakti.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-67914196400089858572007-10-11T17:50:00.000-04:002007-10-11T17:50:00.000-04:00My understanding is that the sadhaks will identify...My understanding is that the sadhaks will identify as manjaris during their nama-japa, mantra-mayi upasana and lila-smaran practices but while making love will idenity as Radha and Krishna.<BR/><BR/>Is this correct?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-30927698007514349552007-10-11T16:47:00.000-04:002007-10-11T16:47:00.000-04:00Thank you Jagat, now I can have a better idea of y...Thank you Jagat, now I can have a better idea of your proposed pratice. I think that you can discuss here about the theory of this sahaja-sadhana, but it´s impossible to discuss the experience of this pratices. Better is to discuss this with like minded sahajiyas.<BR/><BR/>Pitambarji wrote to me about his sahajiya-pratice:<BR/>"my practice is one of complete let go... complete merging with Krishna ...to be in the mood of Krishna to understand Krishna... there are no rules in this...and this is how the world will be seduced... "<BR/><BR/>To me this is acintya-bheda-abheda as you put it. To be identified with a manjari (bheda) and as Krishna (abheda) at the same time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-70949214612844793252007-10-11T15:49:00.000-04:002007-10-11T15:49:00.000-04:00Clearly you misunderstood what I wrote. You are id...Clearly you misunderstood what I wrote. You are identifying as a manjari. The aropa is just the body. You are not this body.Jagadananda Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887720845815026518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31351038.post-8896238675646077462007-10-11T14:15:00.000-04:002007-10-11T14:15:00.000-04:00I "get" where you are going with this Jagat, howev...I "get" where you are going with this Jagat, however the type of aropa that a raganuga vaishnava in the line of Sri Rupa does is to identify with asraya tattva, to merge with the identity of a manjari. This is for both the male and female sadhakas, so I'm not getting how manjari bhav upasana fits into what you are writing here. The manjari bhav male sadhak will not be inclined to identify with Krishna. That is why I assume that this type of sexual sadhana is for people who are not cultivating manjari bhav. <BR/><BR/>For manjari bhav sadhaks in an intimate relationship with a partner, one's identification as a manjari is temporarily stopped in order to facilitate the neccessary moods and methods of lovemaking.<BR/><BR/>Identification with Krishna seems to be opposed to the identification with Manjari. I don't see how that type of sexual sadhana could be incorporated by Rupanuga Vaishnavas, or rather, I don't see the attraction in it for Rupanuga Vaishnavas. <BR/><BR/>I see the attraction in a loving, creative, exciting intimate life with one's partner, and probably even the attraction of some elements of "tantrik sex", but the identification with Krishna during the sex act with a fellow manjari bhav sadhika? No, I can't see that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com